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CY - Cypress Semiconductor Corp and Spansion, Inc. to Merge in $4 Billion All-Stock Transaction Conference Call
EVENT DATE/TIME: DECEMBER 01, 2014 / 9:30PM GMT
OVERVIEW:
CY and Spansion announced a definitive agreement to merge in an all-stock transaction.
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DECEMBER 01, 2014 / 9:30PM, CY - Cypress Semiconductor Corp and Spansion, Inc. to Merge in $4 Billion All-Stock Transaction Conference Call
CORPORATE PARTICIPANTS
Rahul Mathur Spansion Inc. - VP, Finance
John Kispert Spansion Inc. - CEO
T.J. Rodgers Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
CONFERENCE CALL PARTICIPANTS
Chris Hemmelgarn Barclays - Analyst
Suji De Silva Topeka Capital Markets - Analyst
Rajvindra Gill Needham & Company - Analyst
Jeff Schreiner Feltl & Company - Analyst
Craig Hettenbach Morgan Stanley - Analyst
Sachin Shah Albert Fried - Analyst
Charlie Anderson Dougherty & Company - Analyst
Monica Garg Pacific Crest Securities - Analyst
Betsy Van Hees Wedbush Securities - Analyst
Gerald Ong RBC Capital Markets - Analyst
Ryan Goodman CLSA - Analyst
PRESENTATION
Operator
Good afternoon, and welcome to the Cypress and Spansion Merger Conference Call. Todays conference is being recorded. If you have any objections, you may disconnect at this time. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Rahul Mathur, VP of Finance at Spansion. Sir, you may begin.
Rahul Mathur - Spansion Inc. - VP, Finance
Thank you, Sheila. Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us on todays call. With me today from Spansion are John Kispert, CEO, and Randy Furr, EVP and CFO. Also joining the call from Cypress are T.J. Rodgers, CEO, and Thad Trent, EVP and CFO.
As you know, today Spansion and Cypress announced a definitive agreement to merge in an all-stock transaction. The purpose of this call is to provide additional background and perspective with respect to the proposed transaction. We hope you saw our release issued earlier today and posted to each Companys website. We will be webcasting and referring to a brief slide presentation during the call today. This presentation will subsequently be posted on the IR pages of each Companys website.
Before we move on, please note the disclosures on slide 13 of todays presentation. During the course of this meeting, we will make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including statements regarding the anticipated timing, completion, and effects of the proposed merger. These statements are based on our assumptions as of the current date and involve risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those statements. As indicted on slide 13, both Spansion and Cypress intend to make additional SEC filings regarding the proposed transaction. We urge you to review in detail the risks and uncertainties discussed in those filings, together with our current SEC filings on Form 10-K and Form 10-Q and our 8-K reports.
With that, I will now turn the call over to John Kispert.
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DECEMBER 01, 2014 / 9:30PM, CY - Cypress Semiconductor Corp and Spansion, Inc. to Merge in $4 Billion All-Stock Transaction Conference Call
John Kispert - Spansion Inc. - CEO
Thanks, Rahul, and thanks, everybody, for taking the time, finding the time. We look forward to your questions. Im here with T.J. Let me start by saying how excited I am to be here and to be talking about what we both believe is a transformational transaction. As Rahul just mentioned, a short while ago we announced a definitive agreement, essentially a merger of equals, and that allows us to bring a whole lot of leverage to not just our customers and our employees, but certainly all of our partners and shareholders.
I thought what Id do is theres a couple charts that show what todays announcement is. Let me just spend a second on why I think this unification is compelling. One, strategically, I think both companies have two well-positioned businesses that are profitable. Certainly on the Cypress side, the SRAM and the PSoC businesses worldwide are well known in every part of the world, and on the Spansion side, the MCU and analog business, as well as the flash business. You put those four together, thats a lot of strength, high gross margin businesses that we think we can continue to grow the margin side of it, profitable memory businesses, where we have number one positions in markets that I think were very fortunate to have, and that well run for a long time.
Good end markets for both companies, auto, industrial, Internet of Things, certainly on the Cypress side a whole new footprint for the combined company on communication side and consumer wireless side. $2 billion business when combined. Scale is meaningful. It will help accelerate a higher margin business for the Company, and well talk a little bit more about that. We think we can get to a 20% operating margin in short order, and well talk a little bit about that.
I think, operationally, both companies bring complementary businesses, and weve spent a lot of time talking about that, so theres no overlap. Very good operational fit. This is not a consolidation deal where we expect to lose market share. This is what I would call good scale versus bad scale. We should be able to gain share in the combined markets that were focused on with a broader product portfolio, as well as broader technologies.
The third thing Id say on operationally, why its such a good fit, is the integration and the synergy plan I think is very straightforward and well understood by both sides. And I think both management teams have done this before, know what to do, and, frankly, are confident and excited about it.
And then, finally, I think financially the synergies are compelling. You have roughly $135 million of synergies that T.J. will talk more about. We studied this carefully. If you look at both the standalone operating incomes of the two companies today, theyre less than $135 million apiece. So, I think highly accretive to EPS versus where both companies are today. And the final piece on financial is obviously, with all-stock structure here, the shared upside, and that has us pretty excited on both sides.
Those of us that have done this a couple times know that culture is a big deal. I could tell you T.J. and I have spent a lot of time on that. Its amazing how similar the two companies are. We think its because of the common memory background. Both companies are used to being number one in the markets they serve. That is their absolute focus.
The systems that we use, the language and our product lifecycles, our quality systems, are very, very similar, so we should be able to integrate very quickly. I can tell you, both management teams are bottom-line oriented, straight to the point, and very hands-on, so were excited about putting the teams together. And what Ive noticed with T.J. is were able to start finishing each others sentences fairly early on in these conversations.
Let me jump to chart three, which is the overview of the transaction, 50-50. T.J. will be CEO, and I think thats great for our shareholders and great for our employees, and certainly exciting for us, particularly given the product roadmaps that we think we can put together for next-generation products. We think we can get this done in the first half of 2015. You folks all know that approval from both sets of shareholders, as well as the regulatory approvals, and well go work on that right away.
Let me flip to the fourth chart, and this is really the bottom line, the strategic rationale. As I said earlier, two strong sets of businesses. It makes us very formidable in every part of the world, in every region of the world. We have a complete set of the technologies, the manufacturing capability, the process capability, the products, and certainly the distribution and field organizations, field applications as well as sales organization, technical sales organizations to grow the Company quickly.
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DECEMBER 01, 2014 / 9:30PM, CY - Cypress Semiconductor Corp and Spansion, Inc. to Merge in $4 Billion All-Stock Transaction Conference Call
Second bullet on there, complementary technologies. I think everybody recognizes we have a broad portfolio of ARM MCUs. We focused on the high performance expansion, and were going to be able to be much more flexible with PSoC solutions, and of course were going to have a very comprehensive memory portfolio in very good markets, markets thatll last for quite a while and where we have commanding positions. And well be able to expand that portfolio and the technologies there relatively quickly, I think complementarily.
Next bullet down is diversify and grow the customer base again in these attractive markets. One thing at Spansion weve learned is, with the Fujitsu acquisition, that there are many, many opportunities to take new sets of products and put them in different parts of the world. And so, were busy talking about that. Again, Spansions strength over time has been in the automotive and industrial side, and Cypress on the consumer and communication side. So, theres a lot of open space on both sides where we could move very quickly, and were excited about that.
I think the final bullet up there, and one that we both resonated right away with, is the operational efficiencies. The leverage thats inherent in putting the companies together I think is very high. The two companies manufacturing base, we have similar philosophies on the manufacturing side. We should be able to leverage that very quickly, show that in the synergies, and have a worldwide low-cost manufacturing capability relatively quickly. That will, of course, help our margin structure. And then obviously, when you put two profitable companies together, theres operating expense efficiencies in the corporations that we should be able to execute on relatively quickly.
And I think with that, Ill turn it over to T.J., and I look forward to your questions.
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
Thanks, John. Ill move to page five, brief description of both companies. We have almost identical backgrounds. Cypress started out as an SRAM company. Weve become number one in the world in SRAMs. We are a significant lead over number two. That began to limit our growth, and we started looking for diversification. We have been diversifying for the last 15 years, with a chip we call PSoC, Programmable System on Chip. Think of it as a microcontroller surrounded by programmable analog and programmable digital IP that allows you to make a custom system on chip.
And we focused on patents. We have 2,000 of them. We have 3,500 employees, 10,000 marketing part numbers, and 20,000 customers. If you look at Spansion, Ill take the second point first, theyre the number one in flash memory for embedded markets. So, they dominate that market the way we have SRAMs. That market is about three times bigger than the SRAM market, so its great. Because of the Fujitsu acquisition, which I should add has been a I would perceive it as a difficult acquisition with a lot of travel and a lot of work to make it work, and I congratulate them for having done that. Theyve become number two in Japan in microcontrollers, and theyve got a good position in analog.
So, if you look at the two companies, were in automotive, industrial, and consumer. Our product line, starting with PSoC, going through NOR flash, are listed down below the bar. So, we have six product lines each. And if you put that together, we will end up being a global system-on-chip leader. We have embedded memory, both the flash memory, which is the program memory of an embedded microcontroller, and the SRAM memory, which is also the embedded memory of the same microcontroller but for data. We add to that a whole family of ARM-based microcontrollers going all the way from the M0 all the way up to the M5 and the R5 and R6 microcontroller, to give a catalog that really is compelling for customers.
Moving on to page six, if you look at the end markets we play in together, our revenue as of Q3 2014, if you just put the two P&Ls together, is $2.014 billion. Automotive, 29%, consumer, 29%, industrial, 17%, communications, 11%, mobile, 7%, and other, 7%. So, weve got what John said, penetration in many markets and the ability to cross-sell from one market into another.
Looking at Spansion first, in terms of their key product families in microcontroller, these are typically ARM-based microcontroller. In the second bullet Ive written the text I got said high quality. I modified it to put in highest quality. These are microcontrollers that go in automobiles. Furthermore, theyre microcontrollers that not only go in automobiles, they go on the dashboard and they control the car. They control brakes. They control the engine. This is sort of the highest end of what a microcontroller can do in an automobile. And it requires almost a fanatical commitment to zero defect quality, which they have. That for Spansion is a $500 million business.
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DECEMBER 01, 2014 / 9:30PM, CY - Cypress Semiconductor Corp and Spansion, Inc. to Merge in $4 Billion All-Stock Transaction Conference Call
Flash, Spansion came into existence when Intel and AMD, who had been warring for years over the flash technology as co-leaders, spun out their flash divisions into two separate companies. Spansion won. Their technology is called Charge Trap, and they have which is a more advance, non-volatile technology at a transistor level than other technologies. We also have that technology. In between us, we have 250 patents on that technology.
They have whats called HyperFlash memory. This is a serial memory with a proprietary interface, which is the fastest serial memory going. Of course, in the future, what that will mean is we will put the HyperFlash interface not only on the NOR flash memories made by Spansion, but also on the SRAMs made by Cypress, and we will create in the FRAM F as in Frank FRAMs made by Cypress, and then the volatile SRAMs made by Cypress, and there will be an entire family of HyperFlash memories of various kinds and various densities.
They have the broadest offering of serial and parallel NOR. The serial is what I just described. The parallel is higher performance and higher pin count for other applications. They also have SLC and embedded NAND flash. Their flash business is $645 million. And like I said, theyve one of the reasons we have complementary cultures, you cant be a memory company and be successful if you dont have a based-on-truth data-evidence engineering-based culture. You cannot survive in the memory world and prosper unless you have these cultural traits.
So, we both sort of have our engineering and culture background based in memory, but then we both diversified. I already went through the microcontroller diversification of Spansion. They also have a nice business - its analog products, including power analog, $75 million run rate.
The equivalent profile for Cypress we have four divisions, a memory products, original division. Were number one provider of SRAM. Weve got 5,000 SRAM products that go in everything from watches that run on microamperes Im talking the new Smart Watches to routers that run at 1.5 gigabits per second. Were the number one provider also of non-volatile RAMs and FRAMS. These RAMs are RAMs that hold the data when the power goes off, and therefore theyre in high security applications.
They also go in automotive. Automobiles will start to have black boxes, like airplanes do, and they will require memories that are able to store the critical data of the position of the steering wheel and the brake and the engine RPMs, et cetera, at the time there was an event for later study. Our memory products division is $370 million.
Our second division, which we call programmable systems, is the division we named to sell PSoC. I already describe PSoC here. Ill just use the words worlds only programmable system-on-chip with programmable analog and digital memory, ARM microcontroller core, all on a single chip. The PSoC morphed into Capsense. These are capacitive buttons, and we have a Capsense business which is really PSoC technology underlying the business. Its more of a program on a PSoC chip than it is a separate family of chips. And were number one in that market with a billion units shipped. And we also are in automotive. We have touchscreen business, where we use PSoC again, this time to read out a position on a touchscreen.
Our third division, data communications, is primarily a provider of USB. Theyre number two in the world. And theyre currently taking advantages of two changes in the world - one, the switchover to USB 3, the five-gigabit per second standard, where we have an excellent product line, and two, the Bluetooth low-energy market, where we have taken a Bluetooth low energy, or BLE radio, and appended it to the PSoC 4 chip, which is the most successful PSoC weve ever made, to bring out a radio-based PSoC. That business is at a $75 million rate. So, PSoC actually pervades two of our three divisions.
Finally, in a third attempt to grow revenue, we have founded startups over the years. One of them was a company called SunPower, which today is the second largest solar energy company in the world. We divested them based on shareholder demand. The two weve got going today are Deca Technologies, which makes wafer-level packaging for chip scale and the multi-chip packaging and they use SunPower technology to make a very cost-effective chip scale packages and AgigA technology, which makes very high-density battery-free, non-volatile memory solutions for servers.
These are multi-gigabit, non-volatile memories. In the operating mode, they act like dynamic RAMs, that is they act like the DIM cards that are in your computer. And when the power goes off, they store the data. So, theyre secure data for personal computers and servers. The two emerging tech divisions are at a $30 million run rate now, and theyre doubling in revenue about every year.
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DECEMBER 01, 2014 / 9:30PM, CY - Cypress Semiconductor Corp and Spansion, Inc. to Merge in $4 Billion All-Stock Transaction Conference Call
Automotive, Spansion is very accomplished in automotive, and I just want to point out how happy we are to join these two businesses together. Here I show a picture of the Cypress Annual Report from 2013, and we have built up a $40 million automotive business. And I was so proud of that, I put it on the cover of our Annual Report, listing all the design wins weve got. Spansion, on the other hand, is a $450 million automobile business, which is very automotive business, which is very complementary to ours. And if you add these two businesses together, we will be either number four or number five worldwide in automotive sales, and number two in automotive in Japan. So, this is one of the areas where the combined companies will really have a lot of technology, and especially in Japan with the Spansion-Fujitsu acquisition.
Financial model. Ive got two columns on here, and Im talking about revenue, gross margin, OpEx, and operating margin. If you took our two P&L reports from Q3, the last quarter, and annualized them, you would get a company with $2 billion in revenue, 42.2% gross margin, 31.4% OpEx, and 10.8% operating margin. Cypresss OpEx is higher. Thats where we needed help. Spansions gross margin is somewhat lower. Thats where we can help. And the combination of the two will make gross margin go up, operating expenses go down. I put in a model, 50-30-20, 50% gross margin, 30% OpEx, and 20% operating margin.
This is what well be driving towards, and I believe this is very achievable. And as John said earlier, if youre in a memory company, you kind of have a culture of analyzing costs all the time as a way of living, and weve already got large lists of costs and reductions and efficiencies, and weve got line items assigned and EVPs assigned to that. So, we believe this model is very achievable.
So, to summarize, and then well take your questions, in a strategic fit, its a $2 billion company. Its got $1 billion of embedded memory and $1 billion in embedded microprocessors. Weve got tremendous growth opportunities, auto, industrial, and the Internet of Things. Our background as memory companies creates an opportunity for us to be a big, powerful company that has the base of memories, which really does matter, combined with moving into system-level chips, which are higher margin.
And financial benefits, its accretive to non-GAAP earnings for both sets of shareholders. Weve identified $135 million in annual synergies to drive leverage in our operating model. We believe we will part of that will go toward expansion of gross margin, and part of that will go toward reduction of OpEx. And we will be in a strong cash flow position, although we both have American fabs, both of which are very good fabs. We can see how, by combining the best of our manufacturing front end and back end, and the best of our subcontractors, we can expand gross margin.
And finally, the last point, which I think will be important to many of you, we will continue to pay the current quarterly dividend of $0.11 per share to shareholders of the combined Company. So, that means that therell be an income flow of approximately 4%, and downside protection turning on when this thing closes sometime in the second quarter for Spansions current shareholders.
Thats our summary. Were ready for questions.
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
Operator
(Operator instructions.) Blayne Curtis.
Chris Hemmelgarn - Barclays - Analyst
Thanks very much for taking the question. This is Chris Hemmelgarn on for Blayne, and this is from Barclays. Congrats on the deal, gentlemen, sounds very exciting. I guess, first of all, I was hoping you could provide a little bit more color on where youre expected to see some of these synergies, and I guess to John or both of you, I mean, the plan had been to move a lot of the MCU production from Fujitsus fab into Spansions fab in the United States over the coming year. Does that remain on track, given Cypresss fab as well? I guess how does that affect existing plans?
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DECEMBER 01, 2014 / 9:30PM, CY - Cypress Semiconductor Corp and Spansion, Inc. to Merge in $4 Billion All-Stock Transaction Conference Call
John Kispert - Spansion Inc. - CEO
Hey, Chris, its John. Its not changing any of our plans. I think its creating more and more opportunities for us to continue to leverage the fabs we have, and I think thats the way to think about it. Its going to give us an opportunity to as all you folks know, its all driven by the process technologies that youre using in the fab.
And were very fortunate that we have a factory organization around the world, both companies do, where we can share process technologies and put them in the right place where we can get the lowest cost per unit for all of our products, and we have a very firm plan on that. The two teams have worked through that, and were looking forward to executing on it. But, it doesnt change any of the things that weve already been doing up until this point, well continue.
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
If you look at the vectors that Spansion was on to decrease costs, we will just add to that, for example, both Spansion and Cypress have very efficient assembly and test facilities that are cheaper than subcontractors. Neither of them are completely full. Therefore, by running products that we have internally with packages we have, for example, or Spansion doesnt have, and vice-versa, and we will be able to load our back-end assembly facilities, assembly and test facilities, and get even better costs.
The same is true for fab, where we will be able to get, either by transferring internally, for example, Cypress products into Spansion fab and vice-versa, we will be able to get better wafer price than we were able to get, in some cases, from subcontract.
Then, theres the obvious, two different stock exchanges, two different executive staffs, two different headquarters building. Were sitting in one of them right here. Theres a huge amount of overhead that in particular weights on Cypress. Were an $800 million company. Spansions $1.3 billion. And we needed scale to amortize the overhead that a public company must have.
So, the synergies are compelling, and when we first looked at the deal, it became obvious right away, and thats when it turned from a consideration thats when it turned into a merger of equals so the shareholders could benefit with the upside that we see. Thats very clear if youre in our shoes.
Chris Hemmelgarn - Barclays - Analyst
Thats very helpful, and thank you for the clarification. One quick follow-up, I guess also somewhat Spansion-focused. Obviously recently theres been a lot of speculation about how you plan to leverage some of the further leverage Charge Trap memory and some of your assets there, which you guys touched on, most notably in China and the deal you talked about with XMC. Does this affect those plans at all, and I guess further plans for monetization of the IP the two companies now share?
John Kispert - Spansion Inc. - CEO
Good question, Chris. No change in plans. I wont speak for T.J., but I think were both equally as excited about the opportunities there. I think weve been preoccupied working on this the last couple weeks, but well finish and get an announcement out before the end of the year along those lines, then well have an opportunity to talk a lot more about it. But, I dont think Ill let T.J. speak to it, but I dont think theres any diminished excitement on the abilities, the capabilities that we can bring to market in a very, very large market in China with our NAND IP and people.
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
So, I dont have anything more to add to that comment. I think we should move on to the next question.
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DECEMBER 01, 2014 / 9:30PM, CY - Cypress Semiconductor Corp and Spansion, Inc. to Merge in $4 Billion All-Stock Transaction Conference Call
Chris Hemmelgarn - Barclays - Analyst
Thanks very much.
Operator
Suji De Silva.
Suji De Silva - Topeka Capital Markets - Analyst
Thanks, Topeka. John, T.J., congratulations on the deal. In terms of the target model of 50%, T.J., the CODE the Spansion margins are running below that now. Can you help us understand the confidence that you have and the larger revenue of the two companies kind of approaching that target model over three years?
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
Sure. Let me give you a hypothetical. If for some reason this deal didnt happen, its already obvious to me that we would want to do a foundry deal with Spansion because they have an extraordinarily efficient fab in Austin, Texas, and that fab could become a lot more efficient if it were fully loaded, which it is not. And if you consider the price that their cost of manufacture and the price we pay, we could split the difference. Their fab would be more loaded. They would be making profit on the wafers they sell; its not just selling at cost. And we would be getting a price for our wafers better than we can get outside. And that deal we do just as two companies trying to optimize their businesses.
It can do the same thing for internal assembly and test manufacturing, better manufacturing costs than you can get outside. We also theres not a giant amount of synergy with regard to, lets say, product engineering, where we have different kinds of memories and specialists that operate on them. But, on the big bucks items, like the factories, theres a lot to be made.
Suji De Silva - Topeka Capital Markets - Analyst
Great. Thats very helpful. And then, you talked about in the prepared remarks, quickly leveraging these synergies. Are the products how quickly can the products be qualified? Is it quarters or years, or months, or is that already in process?
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
We have a conservative plan that has qualification happening in the second year, at the end of the second year, really. I would be disappointed if we didnt beat that.
Operator
Rajvindra Gill.
Rajvindra Gill - Needham & Company - Analyst
Needham & Company, and thanks for taking my questions, and congratulations on a very smart merger. Can you talk a little bit about the tax structure? I know Spansion had significant NOLs. Just wondering how we should look at the overall tax structure in light of those NOLs.
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DECEMBER 01, 2014 / 9:30PM, CY - Cypress Semiconductor Corp and Spansion, Inc. to Merge in $4 Billion All-Stock Transaction Conference Call
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
Theres the man already doing his model.
John Kispert - Spansion Inc. - CEO
That-a-way, Raji, good question. Im fortunate we have Thad and Randy here. Id say were excited about the opportunities there. As you look at Cypress, theyve done a tremendous job on that level. And I think the combination of the two companies create a bunch of opportunities for us there. Im not sure were prepared right now to talk through where its going, but certainly that was part of the modeling and how we thought about it.
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
Yes, Ill just add, look, Cypress has done a terrific job in terms of having a very, very low tax rate. Obviously we have NOLs. Many of those NOLs will certainly be available for the future merged company to go forward, so I would expect you to continue to see a low tax rate, going forward, from the merged company.
Rajvindra Gill - Needham & Company - Analyst
Okay, great. And just a housekeeping question, with respect to the shares outstanding post- the merger. Would it be some is the way to look at it just take the Cypress shares, multiply by the sorry, the Spansion shares, multiply by the conversion, then you add back the Cypress shares? So youre looking at something like 330 million-odd of shares post- the acquisition?
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
Thats right. We negotiated back and forth, and all the negotiations were within a percentage point or two of 50-50. And after we got into the deal, we said were going to lock up that number, stop talking about it, because the extra point or two one way or the other, its not worth it. We need to focus on the future. So, we double our shares or take their shares times 2.457 and add them to our shares, you get the same number.
John Kispert - Spansion Inc. - CEO
And Raji, youre looking at it the right way, exactly right.
Operator
Jeff Schreiner.
Jeff Schreiner - Feltl & Company - Analyst
Its Feltl & Company. I want to talk about how quickly I guess it comes back to the qualification question how quickly Cypress products, or merged products between the two companies, are going to be able to find their way into industrial and automotive end markets.
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
In industrial, its a matter of qualification and reliability testing, which for us is typically a six-month period in a year total, including the process ramp. Automotive, youve probably got another six months on that because theyve got a qual thats pretty extensive.
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DECEMBER 01, 2014 / 9:30PM, CY - Cypress Semiconductor Corp and Spansion, Inc. to Merge in $4 Billion All-Stock Transaction Conference Call
John Kispert - Spansion Inc. - CEO
Hey, Jeff, this is John. One thing is, just given the kind of maybe the history of Spansion, weve done quite a bit of requalification in the industrial with our industrial customers as well as our automotive customers over the last couple of years. Your point is one that weve certainly taken into consideration in putting our milestones together and how we think about this.
I think we know how to do it real well. I know we have a very committed set of customers to it. What were doing right now with our microcontroller is we are were running silicon today, and weve been very public about it, in Q1 will be real volume production. And that took us about nine months to a year. Those are wafers or die that have customers names on them, in industrial and in auto, as well in some consumer markets. So, it is a mix across depending on the market, as T.J. just said, but the real key is how quickly can you qualify it in the fab. I think the customer side of things, theres enough trust and enough commitment on the customer side for us to be able to do this through 2015 into 2016.
Jeff Schreiner - Feltl & Company - Analyst
Okay. Just a follow-up, I mean, what does that get the and Im calling it, for lack of a better word, the headwind thats keeping this deal from being accretive for a year out of the close and maybe not being accretive within a quarter or two of the close? What are some of the things that are hindering that?
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
Well, first of all, is ordinary negotiation with shareholders, right, be honest. I would be disappointed if it took a year. If I had to pick a number and again, we have to get one more layer of detail in our plan. We have a detailed plan, but its still a top-down plan. It would be break-even on accretion basis in the third quarter after closing, and even possibly in the second quarter. And we said a year. So, theres - the headwind, to use your term, is that the big bucks come from manufacturing, and the manufacturing comes from the quals we just talked about.
But, theres a lot, right, two headquarters in San Jose, California, and one in Sunnyvale, and a lot of corporate overhead thatll happen very quickly, two sales forces that will were not going to go all the way down to one, but well be slimmed down to the right level, being able to shut duplicate buildings of sales forces in Munich, Germany, et cetera, et cetera. So, theres a lot of that thats going to happen fast, but the big bucks are manufacturing, and thatll happen in the second year.
Operator
Craig Hettenbach.
Craig Hettenbach - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
Yes, thank you, its Morgan Stanley. Two questions, first on just the revenue synergies. Can you talk about the cross-selling opportunities in any particular end market where you see the biggest opportunity there? And then also any impact in terms of the disti channel and relationships that you could leverage as a combined company?
John Kispert - Spansion Inc. - CEO
Hey, Craig, its John. Ill take a quick shot at that. As we, in essence, modeled out the leverage and putting the two companies together, there is not a big assumption for synergies on the top line. Now, having said that, I think both sides are very excited about having new avenues into new sockets with great sets of technology.
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And I said it earlier, I think we cant wait to get into the auto industry in some of our key accounts with the product line with Cypress, and we cant wait to do that ASAP. In fact, with this announcement, Im pretty sure my guys are working on it right now, how can we move very quickly with this, because this is an incredible amount of complementary qualities across the technologies.
The same can be said in a lot of the large consumer markets for Cypress. We can move very quickly with our power management, MCU capabilities, and certainly flash capabilities in packaging with a very broad product line from Cypress. So, not a lot modeled, but we think great opportunities that were going to go after very quickly. And whats the second one, Craig?
Craig Hettenbach - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
Yes, so the second one yes, as part of that first one, actually, just the distribution channel and any efficiencies there.
John Kispert - Spansion Inc. - CEO
Yeah, without a doubt, I can tell you, as a billion-dollar company, $1.5 billion, $1.3 billion, whatever we might be, its a much different meeting with the distributors when Im $2 billion. And T.J. is going to have a much better time as a $2 billion company with a very broad product line and a great product roadmap coming out, which worldwide with the many different partners, distributors that we have, scale matters, and we know that. And again, I wouldnt say weve modeled it to go through it, but we know that as business people, and weve got great opportunity there.
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
Both companies have a majority of products sold through distribution and the scale were describing, plus the breadth your SRAM supplier, your NOR flash supplier, and one of your top suppliers of MCUs, that breadth plus size is worth a point-plus in distribution, and that point comes directly into gross margin. So, of the eight points weve got between where we would be had we been merged in the third quarter and where we want to get until we want to go farther, theres the chunk of it that is synergy through distribution.
Craig Hettenbach - Morgan Stanley - Analyst
Got it, thanks for that. And a follow-up for T.J., just on the semiconductor industry and the uptick were seeing on M&A, just kind of your thoughts on the drivers of M&A and kind of merits to drive through the deal here.
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
Well, Ill say what my rationale was and let John give his. I think were a tightly managed company. I think weve got good products. I think were high-tech, and weve got good quality. Having said that, Ive got 37% OpEx, right, 37% OpEx, okay, and I need 30% to be competitive. If you go look at the list and I dont see a lot of trimming - weve been trimming and being very careful on OpEx for years. So, scale really matters for us.
And then, all of a sudden, when you look and the scale doesnt come from basically combining two companies that do the same thing, it comes from the fact that the companies have similar sort of deployment, and the product line, the top line, is complementary and expansive. You look at that deal and, after youve you first say, okay, well, lets see what we can do, then you start penciling the thing out, and it becomes pretty compelling pretty quickly. Thats why we - I was aggressive in trying to get this deal done.
John Kispert - Spansion Inc. - CEO
Hey, Craig, Id just add, I think strategically it didnt take either of us a long time to sit there and say, yes, this would be its compelling. I think operationally it takes a little bit longer before we sat there and said, wow, we have a lot of different leverage points there that we can implement over a period of time. And as I said earlier, its good scale. We dont see that were going to lose top-line growth. This is scale that will help us grow and help the bottom line as much as the top line.
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And financially, it didnt take us long to see that this is compelling for everybody associated with the Company, and thats important. But, I think the key is really, to your question of this consolidation, is culturally. And culture to us means how we work, how we communicate, how we get things done. And I think thats where T.J. and I got the most excited, is that we can do a lot of things because the companies execute to the same sort of tenor and understand the same sort of language. And thats a worldwide comment. So, it would allow us to move quicker on the strategic side, the operational side, as well as the financial side. I hope that makes sense.
Operator
Sachin Shah.
Sachin Shah - Albert Fried - Analyst
Albert Fried. Congratulations on the deal. So, I just want to understand, you mentioned in the release, and in the presentation I think also, US, Germany, and China. I know that China on a pro forma basis is something around like $450 million, 26%, 27% of your overall sales. So, just wanted to find out, are there any other regulatory approvals, A? B, are you expecting any issues on the regulatory approvals specifically in [mov com] or China? And I know, because sometimes theres issues with employees and workers in China part C, are you expecting the workers to kind of cooperate as far as the transaction is concerned?
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
Let me take a stab at that one. The first regulatory issue that sort of overwhelms the others is antitrust, specifically Hart-Scott-Rodino. We dont have that here. Thats the expansion on the top line as opposed to merging two companies through consolidated business.
The next one would be in some countries, and Ive had more trouble in European countries than I have in China. If you have synergies, which means basically you take combined employee headcount and reduce it, you have trouble with trying to get that done. You mentioned that for China. It turns out both of us in the world, not just us selling more and more into China, and therefore I dont and we are continuously hiring employees in China and lowering our headcount elsewhere in the world. So, I dont anticipate that there will be a big problem in China with us.
And in terms of Japan, we our sales and apps at Cypress, the sales and applications in Japan, and Spansion has the whole semiconductor corporation so we can merge our sales office into theirs, and that wont be a problem either.
Sachin Shah - Albert Fried - Analyst
Okay, so just to clarify, do you need Japanese approval? Because that wasnt mentioned. And your presentation, and youve gone over this a few times, that youre going to be number one in these two categories, NOR flash and SRAM. Is that going to be an issue on the antitrust front? And then finally, just trying to understand a possible timing for close in the second quarter of next year.
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
Okay, the two questions are actually very related. The approvals we need are US, China, and Germany, and the reason we need those approvals is the governments of US, China and Germany insist on approvals. We anticipate no antitrust action troubles of any kind. Cypress is number one in SRAMs right now, and we sell almost no flash memory, so we sell a few, and theyre different from functionally different from what Spansion sells. Spansions number one in embedded flash memories, and they dont sell SRAM. So, there is no cause of action in terms of antitrust.
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DECEMBER 01, 2014 / 9:30PM, CY - Cypress Semiconductor Corp and Spansion, Inc. to Merge in $4 Billion All-Stock Transaction Conference Call
So, those number one claims we both bring to the party on our own. But then, meanwhile, those are special memories. I mean, theres the big memories, DRAM and NAND flash, okay. Well, then you bring in these other memories, and these are the memories required to make a real-life system work, and now all of a sudden youre dealing with a single company for both of them. We think thatll give us the importance to our customers, but there is no antitrust because theres no overlap of the product line.
And then, the final question about China, they approve all these deals. They insist on it if you want to sell in China. And their approval is whats going to cause this thing to take until pick a number June of next year because they have a rough-cut six month time period for their reviews. We dont anticipate any regulatory troubles in any jurisdiction that demands to review the deal.
Operator
Charlie Anderson.
Charlie Anderson - Dougherty & Company - Analyst
Yes, Dougherty & Company. Thanks for taking my question, and congrats. Wonder if maybe you give us a preview of the proxy, maybe a little background on the merger, who approached who, were there any other parties involved.
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
We [did] the network, right?
John Kispert - Spansion Inc. - CEO
T.J.s looking at me and Im looking at him.
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
Couple of our guys had dinner. Theyre in the room. And then we hired the bankers, and we did, I hired bankers Ive been working with, theyre the same group that took Cypress public in 1982, because I always worked with them. I told them about the deal, not vice-versa.
John Kispert - Spansion Inc. - CEO
Hey, Charlie, I think the smart thing is were working really hard on this proxy, and its coming quick. Youll get it. Its very thorough, and I look forward to your feedback when you see it.
Charlie Anderson - Dougherty & Company - Analyst
Fair enough, okay. So, quick housekeeping question, then. You mentioned a few facilities that are being under-utilized today. Youre going to go from point A to point B to improve margins. I wonder if you could tell us kind of roughly where point A is in terms of utilization rates at some of those facilities.
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John Kispert - Spansion Inc. - CEO
Charlie, this is John. Were very public in our we have one 200-millimeter fab that can run a lot of different technologies, a lot of its really a do-it-all fab, down to 65 nanometer. And weve been running about 70% utilization. We, like Cypress, have the same model, which is more of an asset-light kind of model, where weve partnered around the world with many different partners, and in our case we you know, Fujitsu, UMC, SMIC, XMC. We have partners. All of those products theres a strategy behind.
Cypress has kind of a blueprint of the same sort of approach, and its a matter of matching up the process technologies and putting them all together. And weve mapped all that out. And the key to our business, T.J. is an awful smart man, but his IQ goes up much, much higher when he has a full fab. And he knows that, I know that, and thats what were focused on. So, the idea for us to fill our fabs is absolutely paramount in this. And we know it, and were on it.
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
Our fab, Cypresss fab, is loaded in the high 60s, and our back end is loaded in the low 70s. And those arent catastrophically bad numbers. I mean, we had 55% margin on our semiconductor products last quarter, but just a little bit more loading would make a huge difference.
Operator
Monica Garg.
Monica Garg - Pacific Crest Securities - Analyst
Pacific Crest Securities. Thanks for taking my questions. Congrats on the deal. I just wanted to kind of go through the valuation metrics which were used for the deal. Especially if I look at the closing price of Cypress, and you do, like, 2.457 multiply on the stock, it seems about 14% premium on Spansion stock. Generally you see deal going at a higher premium, so if you could just walk us through some valuation metrics.
John Kispert - Spansion Inc. - CEO
Monica, Im not sure I heard the whole question. I think the question was around the exchange ratio. This is a under the umbrella of a merger of equals. I think if you stare at it, youll see that the premiums over a period of time fits nicely into that umbrella.
The key to the actual financial side of the structure really is the execution and what were calling synergy in this call, all the work that has to go get done. And thats whats got us most excited, is that theres a tremendous amount of accretion to both sides relatively quickly. And I said in the beginning, Spansion makes over $100 million a year, and Cypress makes over $100 million a year, and were talking about $130 million of synergies here. So, that at a very high level and simple way of looking at it, is why we think its compelling on that side.
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
The metrics we used to evaluate the companies were standard banker metrics. We looked at obviously the revenue and the multiple on revenue, the profit and multiple on profit. We looked at discounted cash flow models, looking at future growth. We looked at scenarios of high and low growth for both companies, mixed and matched against each other. We looked at market cap at the time we engaged talking, et cetera. And I can tell you for a fact that the discussions that were serious never varied more than a few percentage points one way or the other from a 50-50 deal. And thats why, when we got there, we just said lets shake hands and stop talking about it.
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Monica Garg - Pacific Crest Securities - Analyst
Got it. Thanks. Just a brief follow-up here, John, does it impact any of your existing agreements with Fujitsu or Hynix regarding kind of (inaudible) from them, or from Fujitsu, that can you move some of the capacity from Fujitsu now earlier than kind of what you had put forward before?
John Kispert - Spansion Inc. - CEO
Yes. I think its a good question, certainly one that both sides spent a lot of time on and thinking about how to do this. I dont anticipate I know all our partners very well. I spent a lot of time with them. I dont anticipate anything but support. I think, as I said earlier, its a win for everybody.
So, the second part of your question, we already have a plan in place with those partners to, as we said before, migrate out of or into our fab and make other changes. And this doesnt change any of that. I think that was the first question we got. Were going to continue to execute on the plan we have. And the great thing about this is that were going to be able to layer things on top of it with the announcement today and really get a multiplying effect to our P&L.
Operator
Betsy Van Hees.
Betsy Van Hees - Wedbush Securities - Analyst
Wedbush Securities. Congratulations on the marriage between Cypress and Spansion. Thats fantastic. T.J., you talked about the $135 million in synergies and the fact that you are looking for the significant scale that you couldnt get on your own. But, does that $135 million in synergies, does that include maybe exiting some product lines or areas where you didnt get the traction you were looking for and werent getting the volumes you were looking for? Does that include included in that $135 million, or is that something that we can look forward to as well in terms of future cuts?
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
$135 million in synergies was a very rigorous look at costs in the two corporations, overlapping costs that could be cut to serve the combined corporations more cheaply than the sum of the two. And if its pages with line items already assigned to executives in both companies, and therefore its only cost reduction. We havent made any decisions on and Ill talk from my side.
If you looked at our least profitable group right now, it might be touchscreens right offhand. And theres were not planning on doing anything about that thats different. Bottom line, both companies make decisions to be in or out of a business because we want to be in it. Relative to the last question, both companies have made decisions because its good for the Company and its shareholders to do a deal or not do a deal. And those decisions have been generally well made. So, no theres no precipitous change. The cool thing is $135 million is mostly getting rid of brick and mortar and redundancy, and thats great.
Operator
Doug Freedman.
Gerald Ong - RBC Capital Markets - Analyst
Hey, this is [Gerald Ong] with RBC Capital Markets. I guess so just a question on payout, going forward. It sounds like you guys are going to maintain your $0.11 dividend. I guess how should we think of that over the long-term and how that should change, going forward?
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T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
One of the questions we had asked when we started talking is what would happen to Cypresss $0.11 dividend. We right now have the free cash flow to support it, and of course it would be a major negative thing for shareholders if you yank the rug on dividend. Spansion did an analysis of their own, and their cash flow to dividend is equal to ours, maybe even a little better.
So, we can support the dividend from both sides, with the cash flow combined, and I remember the meeting where I showed the impact on the price-to-sales ratio. Its very clear on our stock. I showed data going back to 1986 when we went public, and I looked at the 10th, 50th, 90th percentile points of price-to-sales ratio. And theres a clear improvement, especially on the down side, when we turned on the dividend. So, we all agreed that leaving that dividend turned on would benefit everybody, and of course getting it turned on for the first time will be a big deal for Spansion shareholders.
Weve got a great story about a combined company with accretion. And the good thing is you can earn 4% interest while youre waiting for our story to come true.
Operator
Ryan Goodman.
Ryan Goodman - CLSA - Analyst
Hi, CLSA. Thank you for taking the question. Just curious, back to the gross margin target of 50%, I understand that a lot of that is just moving products into the facilities and filling them up. Is that something youre confident you can get at the current revenue run rate of the combined company, or are you assuming a certain level of growth to get to that target?
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
Right now, if you noticed on the slide the pro forma P&L, slide 10, I put in for revenue both companies have individual growth plans, and we do. And we are so enamored with the ability to become more efficient, we have yet to sit down and talk about the cross-sell, talk about the distribution, the improvement in distribution. So, everything youve seen so far is strictly about the synergy.
Operator
I would now like to turn the call back over to T.J. and John.
John Kispert - Spansion Inc. - CEO
Well, let me first thank everybody for taking the time today. We are both T.J. and I are leaving to hopefully meet with a bunch of folks over the next couple days, and then Thad and Randy will also be reaching out and meeting with folks. And so, thanks for your attention today, and we look forward to talking to you real soon.
T.J. Rodgers - Cypress Semiconductor Corporation - CEO
Thank you for calling in. Were looking forward very much to our partnership going forward.
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